Vermont’s gun politics experienced a historic shift Thursday morning.
“It’s a sea change,” said Sen. Dick Sears (D-Bennington), who has served in Montpelier for a quarter-century. “This issue has roused the Vermont public in a way I haven’t seen since civil unions.”
During separate press conferences at the Vermont Statehouse, Republican Gov. Phil Scott and the state’s most powerful Democrats called for swift action on a series of gun-control measures. While differences remained between them, both camps appeared intent on passing significant new laws before the end of the legislative session.
Among them could be long-languishing legislation to require those buying firearms in private sales to undergo federal background checks. Senate President Pro Tempore Tim Ashe (D/P-Chittenden) pledged that such a measure would face a vote on the Senate floor next week, and Scott said he would “probably” support it.
“As recent events have made clear, Vermont is not immune to the risk of extreme violence in our schools or our communities,” Scott said, referring to last week’s arrest of an 18-year-old Poultney man who had threatened to attack a Fair Haven high school. “The details of a near-tragedy have shaken me — and I, along with many others, are reexamining what we can do to keep our kids and communities safer.”
As Scott and the Democrats presented their overlapping plans, dozens of Vermont students filled the halls of the Statehouse, joining a nationwide youth movement led by survivors of a school shooting last week in Parkland, Fla. During a press conference of their own, the young adults urged lawmakers to do what they could to prevent gun violence.
“We need to talk about common-sense gun laws because every month my school makes us practice locking our doors, shutting off the lights and hiding silent in the corner in the hopes that that will save our lives,” said Gabriel Groveman, an eighth grader at Twinfield Union School. “I, for one, am tired of hiding silent in the corner. I may be only 14, but so were seven out of the 17 people who were shot and killed in Parkland, Fla., just last week.”
The Republican governor specifically endorsed bills that would allow authorities to confiscate firearms from those who pose a risk to public safety, raise the legal age to purchase guns to 21 and ban the sale of so-called “bump stocks,” which convert firearms into automatic weapons.
Scott did not immediately mention the universal background check legislation the Senate plans to consider, but in response to repeated questions about it, he suggested he would sign it if it reached his desk.
“Again, I’ve said that I’m not necessarily opposed to it at this point in time,” the governor said. “There was a time when I was, but I would take a look at that. I’m not opposing it. I would probably support it.”
An hour earlier, four Democratic leaders — Ashe, House Speaker Mitzi Johnson (D-South Hero), Lt. Gov. David Zuckerman and Attorney General T.J. Donovan — held their own press conference one room away from the governor’s office. They said that, in the week since a deadly school shooting in Florida and the foiled plot in Fair Haven, they had heard loud and clear from constituents demanding action.
“When it comes to guns, doing nothing is no longer an option,” Donovan said.
“Enough is enough and we will be taking action,” Ashe added.
Ashe said the Senate Judiciary Committee planned to fold the latter two bills into one and send it to the Senate floor. Senators would then move to amend the hybrid bill to include the universal background check language in S.6. Ashe committed to an up-or-down vote on the measures by the end of next week. Johnson said the House would likely follow suit, but unlike Ashe she did not promise a floor vote on background checks. “I believe we’ll get there,” she said.
The lawmakers did not propose banning specific types of firearms or ammunition.
Asked whether they would support doing so, Johnson and Scott said they would consider limitations on high-capacity ammunition but were less inclined to back a so-called assault weapons ban. Ashe declined to answer the question, saying he would “have to better understand what the specific proposal was.”
Thursday’s developments marked a shift for Democratic leaders, many of whom have passively supported various gun laws in the past, but none of whom had previously pushed for a vote on universal background checks.
“What’s changed is the general interest in the general public,” Zuckerman explained. “What we are seeing is … the increase in phone calls and communications from Vermonters across the state that have not historically engaged in this conversation. That’s what democracy is.”
Scott’s change in position was even more momentous. Just last Thursday — after the Parkland shooting but before he learned of the Fair Haven incident — the governor suggested that Vermont’s permissive gun laws merited no action.
“We’re fortunate we’re one of the safest states in the country, and I believe our gun laws are balanced,” he told Seven Days at the time. “They balance public safety with our rights.”
A day later, after learning the details of the Fair Haven plot, Scott reversed his position and pledged to take action.
“I’ve thought for quite some time that Vermont was immune to this type of thing,” the governor said at this Thursday’s press conference. “But after reading the [Fair Haven] affidavit, it wasn’t a question of if it was going to happen. It was just a question of which day. And that has a way of rocking your very core.”
“All of them have been investigated and we have no evidence of a credible threat at this time,” Holcombe said.
In addition to proposing legislative action, Scott said he had directed his administration to conduct additional security assessments at all Vermont schools in the coming weeks and requested $5 million for school security grants. The governor called on those who see a potential threat to report it — and he pitched legislation that would protect the identity of those who speak up. He outlined a series of proposals to improve safety and health in Vermont communities, and he said he would form a task force to consider other ideas to reduce gun violence.
Scott emphasized that he was open to other ideas and vowed to find common ground with legislators. He said that Democrats and Republicans alike had expressed a “willingness to work together” at a private meeting Thursday morning in his office.
Not everyone in the Statehouse agreed with Scott and the Democrats. During a hearing Thursday morning in the Senate Judiciary Committee, gun rights supporters testified in favor of S.221, the so-called “extreme risk protection order” bill. But they spoke out against other measures they said would infringe upon their right to bear arms.
Bill Moore of the Vermont Traditions Coalition decried what he called a “gun control frenzy” sweeping the nation. “Bloody shirts and caskets are a poor foundation for policy,” he said. He also expressed concern that students suddenly thrust into the spotlight might suffer more harm from that experience than from potential gun violence.
“They could have a bomb. They could have something else,” Cutler said. “The only way to truly prevent violence is to have these people go to court. The judge can decide if they should be locked up.”
During the student-led press conference, Montpelier High School seniors Emma Harter and Nadia Scoppettone said they were tired of talk.
“We are here today to let politicians know that we are angry, terrified and fed up with the crisis our country is facing, and we will not accept the lax gun laws present today that continually allow for tragedies,” Scoppettone said, listing the locations of several school shootings.
“The youth of today have grown up in a reality that normalized gun violence,” Harter said, adding that shooting drills had become part of their curriculum. “This should not be normalized.”
Corrected February 24, 2018, to note that the Vermont Traditions Coalition and other gun rights groups support S.221.
Disclosure: Tim Ashe is the domestic partner of Seven Days publisher and coeditor Paula Routly. Find our conflict-of-interest policy here: sevendaysvt.com/disclosure.
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We are told the definition of insanity is taking the same action expecting a different outcome. The perpetrators of all the recent events had all passed the federal NICS check system. How is saying in another piece of legislation you have to pass, the same test you already have taken, in any way progress? Those persons all had disqualifying red flags that had not been submitted to the NICS system. The first course of action should be to repair the system we have. There is pending federal legislation to FIX NICS. Get moving on that. Ramming legislation through that has proven itself over and over to be ineffective is the proverbial definition of insanity. The rush to do something is Outright lying to the public. Sadly people are mistaking mere motion for the illusion of accomplishment.
Scott, so increase enforcement. Add a mental health component to the checklist. Increase enforcement of that. Pass mandatory 10-day waiting periods, which the Supreme Court just deemed constitutional by declining to take on as a case. Enforce that. Require gun-safety courses. Enforce that. Restrict magazine capacities. Do all these things and we’ll see a reduction in 5 minute massacres.
And how will you address the issues of suicide and mass killings when guns are taken away and cars and vans and trucks become involved
What common sense laws will you propose then because that is a technique already used and will become more prevalent
We do not have a gun problem in Vermont or anywhere else we have a drug problem that is driving people to commit these atrocities
I think our legislators are right to listen to these children crying out for help in a situation they have no control over.
One of the biggest problems we have in Vermont and across America is the illegal use of drugs and the sales of drugs by teens.
We need to attack this problem from the bottom not the top as we have seen it fail every time that we use methods like the legislature is trying to impose on vermonters right now.
Let’s nip this thing in the bud and let’s start with security at the schools and drug sniffing dogs at the schools… if we know drugs is the problem why are we attacking guns…
We know we have a drug culture and we need to do something about it and I think this would be the greatest starting point to stop our teams before they really get involved in the destruction of their minds with drug use in their teen years.
I want to see that claim they want to do something to save our kids while here is your chance..
Richard Ley – Fair Haven Union High School has a school resource officer, aka. Armed Officer that is present at the school at all times during the day. The person accused of attempting to attack the school watched this SRO to learn his behavior and patterns and wrote that he was the first person he was going to take out.
Traitors one and all! Move to NY. They have just the thing you want to see here! Or Chicago, perhaps the weather suites you better there! How about actually punishing people for their crimes? How about not allowing kids off with no punishment at all? How about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for ones actions? And the cowardice of these legislators to push these bills because of this tragedy is the height of atrocity. Yea, I know, you’ll claim I’m saying it’s too soon to talk about it. Bull! I’m saying you’re piggybacking your atrocity to Vermont on the one in Florida. You’ve been pushing this crap for years. Now you see your chance. Cowards! Traitors! Go ahead, pass bills that are unenforceable. Make yourself feel all warm and cozy in your safe space. Every time you pass a feel good law, remember that you create another class of formerly law abiding citizens criminals.
legislating hypocrisy by not allowing an 18 yr old to legally buy a gun but allowing them to be recruited on high school grounds at the age of 17 is beyond absurd.
As for giving the police the ability to seize weapons at will- is that really the power we want to give an agency that has allowed three vermonters to be shot to death by ONE officer?.. In just over six months?
who will have the power to take away the guns from officers who are a risk to public safety?
the whole logic of turning to the politicians to fix a problem they created seems delusional to me. Is the Governement- federal or state- really the people you want making choices for you that directly affect your freedoms?
Personally that seems like asking a serial killer to please come up with a solution to end their killing spree.
I dont like the idea of an overly armed America- But it scares me less than a government with total control and a public with no ability to defend themselves.
we are already going down the path towards a police state and a totalitarianism society
Do we really want to encourage the govt to speed up the process?
IF anything is to be done- Lets just require background checks for all sales and all transactions to go through legal dealers…
Capish?
A_Trout… you are addressing one school that had a security guard but you have ignored the fact that we need drug sniffing dogs at schools to nip this whole problem in the bud..
If there is one person reading about these killings in America there is always one common denominator and that is the use of drugs.
We need to end drug use in our teenagers and we need to educate them to report others who are using drugs and committing crimes were selling drugs so that we can speak to these children when they are young enough to turn them around or we end still up in the mess we are in.
Taking guns away from hard-working tax-paying law-abiding vermonters does nothing to solve this problem…
New gun control measures with bipartisan support sounds like progress to me. I believe in celebrating small victories.
Richard Ley – you have such tired old tropes. You wrongly attack the lack of armed officers at schools, then you switch blame to drugs when called out on it, and now you bring out the old ‘taking guns away from hard-working tax-paying law-abiding vermonters.’ Pathetic.
The Fair Haven incident was truly unnerving but it was also proof that when leads are followed up on and when people see or hear something and report it the system works. Great job by VT law enforcement for doing their jobs and stopping a tradgity before anything happened. And lets all remember no one was injured and not one shot was fired. Unfortunately the FBI was not as good at their jobs and dropped the ball in Florida( they were to busy looking into the Russians). Rushing to judgement and stripping law abiding citizens of their rights is not going to benefit anyone. Fixing the Federal NICs system and allowing mental health records to be used to prevent sick people from obtaining firearms is the only real cure to the problem and that falls in the laps of Peter, Patrick and Bernie.
” Rushing to judgement and stripping law abiding citizens of their rights is not going to benefit anyone. “
Citizen- You should remember that we have a right to a presumption of innocence – In other words we are to treat the accused as innocent until they are proven guilty
Please do not pile on the slander that Seven Days and other news outlets have propagated in regard to the Fair Havel allegations.
Mr Sawyer has pleaded innocent to the charge he is accused of.
Lets allow him the right to a fair trial
Snow Creek you are correct we must presume that Sawyer is innocent until proven guilty but as I stated it proves the Brady Law works. A report was filed, the police responded and determined that their was a possible threat to an individual or the public and removed the firearms from the person they determined was a threat and in this case arrested Mr. Sawyer. The other option law enforce has in cases like this is to put the person into a sik hospital for 72 hour of evaluation and remove the guns. OMG there are already laws on the books to handle guns and people that dont use firearms appropriately. Who knew! All it takes is people willing to do their jobs!!! Thanks Again VT law enforcement. And SC by rushing to judgement I was referring to the senate thinking more laws are the answer to the mental health issue that has caused this entire mess we fine ourselves in, in the first place.
So proud of our kids leading the way. Dinosaurs who parrot the NRA and tow the manufacturers line will he gone soon, youth and morals and sanity will win this fight in Vermont Im certain, we have to for the children.
Bloody shirts and caskets are a poor foundation for policy, [Bill Moore of the Vermont Traditions Coalition] said.
Give yourself a chance to sleep on that one. According to Moore, dead and wounded children are a poor reason to take action.
“youth and morals and sanity will win this fight “
very similar things were said during the Salaam Witch trials… A mass hysteria movement brought to the forefront by two children.
Beware what you wish for
There will be a price to pay for those politicians that fall for the hysteria of the Chittenden and Addison County trolls. They react to perceived crisis by introducing and passing bills that remove the rights of law abiding citizens and will make them criminals for gifting or lending a deer rifle without going through a expensive and useless process.
There is a silent majority of people who will not be pleased by politicians who flip on issues at the behest of the politically correct masses who block intersections at rush hour and care not a whit for your rights.
Any legislation passed that is in contradistinction to the constitution is unenforceable & automatically null & void on it’s face. Anyone attempting to enforce such legislation is subject to felony charges of acting outside their authority.
Please confirm the young folks in photo above are real, not posed, not photoshopped. I’ll still comment: the facial affect displayed on these KIDS puts to high shame the sleazy, duplicitous, conniving, greed-fed affect displayed by nearly the entire Congress and POTUS. As if they are cannibals not even wiping our blood off their mugs before explaining between hiccups how good we taste and with constirnation demanding what’s our problem…
Vermont has one of the highest rates of death by gun violence in the country, many of those being suicides or unintentional. (See the CDC website WISQARS data program).
Gun violence is widely a public health issue and needs to be addressed at all levels–legislative, healthcare, social, cultural. It seems the tide is finally turning in this country toward addressing it as such. Because the CDC has not been allowed to research the epidemiology of gun violence in the past, we have little comparative data on it (comparative to the number of people it kills yearly in the U.S.). The bill passed by the Senate is a good start.